Comments on: fedora 7: it’s the community, stupid

By: Ahsan

Ahsan — Sun, 27 May 2007 22:57:15 +0000

Will Fedora 7 have build in support for the dell wireless 1500 draft 802.11n wlan mini-card?

I still cannot get this to work w/ FC6.

By: djouallah mimoune

djouallah mimoune — Fri, 04 May 2007 10:03:13 +0000

thanks realy for your feadback, still dreaming of something like dmg for linux, i got a lot of expectation about klick but unfortunately it need to be online to access them. and happy to see that you are aware of this problem

anyway from the redhat 5.1 to fedora 7, a lot of things has changed, so i am confident it is a matter of time that linux will rock for all.

friendly from algeria

By: Rahul Sundaram

Rahul Sundaram — Thu, 03 May 2007 20:25:10 +0000

djouallah,

Apart from what Blizzard has told you this is precisely the problem we are tackling in a different way in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/DebarshiRay. This is not at the same level as activity bundles in OLPC. It just wraps a package and all its dependencies into a archive which makes offline redistribution much more practical.

Of course if a package depends on something like a newer ABI incompatible glibc this won’t help in many cases it would.

I wouldn’t trust on forum posts to understand how distributions are approaching the problem unless developers are involved. Atleast in Fedora, the forums are purely end user focused. If you need to suggest anything to developers, you will have to post to fedora-devel mailing list instead. Just FYI.

By: blizzard

blizzard — Thu, 03 May 2007 18:52:38 +0000

Djouallah, it’s interesting that you bring this up. One of the thing we’ve been doing with OLPC is to define “activity bundles.” One of the main aspects of these is that they are completely self-contained applications. You don’t have to find dependencies as part of the installation and you can take an app that you have and just give it to someone else. The interface is designed to make it easy. One of our target interactions is that if you have an app on your toolbar and you want to give it to someone else you just drag it from the toolbar onto that person and they have a copy over the wireless.

By: djouallah mimoune

djouallah mimoune — Thu, 03 May 2007 15:35:31 +0000

@ Rahul

actually we have highbandwith connexion relatively mainstream, but ehh in cybercafe( not in home where my pc ), i know this not a probleme specific to fedora, but installing new software under linux is just a real nightmare. in windows or mac os it is just a matter of downloading a file, move it to flash disk and install in on any computer, but in linux you have to get rpm package and you must get all dependencies with it,
just a question is it hard to make a directory for a example gnome 2.18.1 whitch has all the rpm needed.
as i am a linux fanboy it is not a real problem, but how can you explain that to a friend who used only windows.
i asked this question in a forum, and guess what, someone tell me, linux was not designed with’ sorry i have no internet connexion’
thanks

By: Rahul Sundaram

Rahul Sundaram — Thu, 03 May 2007 14:17:25 +0000

Also there is presto which makes a huge difference for folks especially on low bandwidth systems. The plugin is already available in Fedora Extras.

Canonical has universe and multiverse

By: blizzard

blizzard — Thu, 03 May 2007 13:15:03 +0000

One of our targets with F7 was to have a complete build of the OS available on two DVDs. This would let you install new software from a system without an internet connection. Also, the Fedora Unity guys do respins every once in a while of the OS that includes updates. It’s a great service for people who are bandwidth impared. Thanks!

By: djouallah mimoune

djouallah mimoune — Thu, 03 May 2007 09:25:02 +0000

what about people who want to use fedora and update, install new software and have no internet connexion, did you have anything like opensuse build service, where software are just organized in a logical manner,

and just another complain, it is very sad that you drop kde from the dvd edition.

anyway i still remember with passion, the days when i installed redhat 5.1, even i still have the cd just for fun

By: Máirín

Máirín — Thu, 03 May 2007 01:37:09 +0000

man up!

By: strange

strange — Wed, 02 May 2007 20:16:19 +0000

One thing that keep amazing me is the “success” of Ubuntu: i mean, its “marketing” success. If you try to see the technical ‘merits’ or ‘achievements’, or even, the contributions that Canonical or Ubuntu give back to the community (and in special, to the kinux kernel) .. those are ZERO.

1) There’s no mention on canonical or ubuntu’s homepages about Debian (Ubuntu is a simple copy or debian, prettier yes, but a simple copy, no mention on the homepages). One should remember that Canonical “bought” some debian developers in order to “prettify” Debian and launch a new “distro” (sic).

2) Compare http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RedHatContributions, http://www.redhat.com/truthhappens/leadership/ and http://sources.redhat.com/projects.html to Canonical (and Ubuntu) ones. What do they have to offer to the community? … a closed source bug tracking system (Launchpad).

3) All of us know about binary (and propietary) drivers that Ubuntu includes. This point was, is and will be a completely shame.

4) Mark talks about a recent “radical freedom” flavour of Ubuntu. Well, at least Fedora is sincere, honest and doesn’t need this kind of “radical freedom flavour”, it’s already a 100% linux distro. Mark sells the principles of open source like a poor marketing student. Another shame for Canonical and Ubuntu.

…

And i could keep talking about this new “hype”, this new “phenomenon” on Linux: Ubuntu. Or how to be famous spending hundreds of dollars shiping copies of Debian around the world (sic).