Comments on: open web video screencast #3 – creating your own player http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/ I love you. Wed, 25 Jan 2012 17:08:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: jay dedman http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/comment-page-1/#comment-182899 jay dedman Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:31:03 +0000 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1173#comment-182899 Understood. Video creators need to understand this reality. I love: "Theora doesn’t feel like the end, it feels like the beginning." Currently, most video creators that have experience with Ogg/Theora think it's a dead codec that is like bad Flash. So as we start inviting people into the tent, remember that online video creators are concerned with quality of image first...and reluctant coders second. We have to affirm that all this will help them tell stories better and make their work look good. AND it's all free and open. This is the order in which videobloggers will be concerned about. Understood. Video creators need to understand this reality. I love: “Theora doesn’t feel like the end, it feels like the beginning.” Currently, most video creators that have experience with Ogg/Theora think it’s a dead codec that is like bad Flash.

So as we start inviting people into the tent, remember that online video creators are concerned with quality of image first…and reluctant coders second. We have to affirm that all this will help them tell stories better and make their work look good. AND it’s all free and open. This is the order in which videobloggers will be concerned about.

]]> By: Christopher Blizzard http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/comment-page-1/#comment-182787 Christopher Blizzard Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:25:12 +0000 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1173#comment-182787 .ogv is the container. The codec inside of it, Theora, works pretty well for smaller videos. The evolution there looks like: 1. The encoder is getting some improvements to make it competitive. That doesn't require new decoders, which means that everyone gets the benefit once the new encoder is in use. 2. If we want to talk about post-Theora we should talk about Dirac or a bunch of other stuff that's happening out there. Theora doesn't feel like the end, it feels like the beginning. .ogv is the container. The codec inside of it, Theora, works pretty well for smaller videos. The evolution there looks like:

1. The encoder is getting some improvements to make it competitive. That doesn’t require new decoders, which means that everyone gets the benefit once the new encoder is in use.

2. If we want to talk about post-Theora we should talk about Dirac or a bunch of other stuff that’s happening out there. Theora doesn’t feel like the end, it feels like the beginning.

]]> By: jay dedman http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/comment-page-1/#comment-182782 jay dedman Fri, 20 Mar 2009 22:06:17 +0000 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1173#comment-182782 True. We shouldn't make the quality of Ogg/Theora the main focus, but video creators will wonder what the evolution of the codec will be. My concern is if creators feel the codec is dead in the water, why use it? The tag is cool, and Ill just keep using .mov with this new tag. You presented good logic right here: in the long term, a FOSS codec like .ogv that becomes widely used will attract more developers that will continually improve it. Message: It's worth using Ogg/Theora because it is the new standard. True. We shouldn’t make the quality of Ogg/Theora the main focus, but video creators will wonder what the evolution of the codec will be. My concern is if creators feel the codec is dead in the water, why use it? The tag is cool, and Ill just keep using .mov with this new tag.

You presented good logic right here: in the long term, a FOSS codec like .ogv that becomes widely used will attract more developers that will continually improve it. Message: It’s worth using Ogg/Theora because it is the new standard.

]]> By: Christopher Blizzard http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/comment-page-1/#comment-182781 Christopher Blizzard Fri, 20 Mar 2009 21:57:24 +0000 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1173#comment-182781 I think the quality question is probably the wrong one to focus on. We'll do pretty well vs. H.264 with the new encoder, but it certainly won't blow them away. I think that url above shows the real value - easy to work with and easy to install. And it's the longer-term stuff that's important. What happens when we can start building open HTML-based tools around it? Those are the neat things. I think the quality question is probably the wrong one to focus on. We’ll do pretty well vs. H.264 with the new encoder, but it certainly won’t blow them away. I think that url above shows the real value – easy to work with and easy to install. And it’s the longer-term stuff that’s important. What happens when we can start building open HTML-based tools around it? Those are the neat things.

]]> By: jay dedman http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/comment-page-1/#comment-182750 jay dedman Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:15:40 +0000 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1173#comment-182750 Videobloggers are getting pretty excited. Check out this screencast where he helps explain why the Ogg/theora + the tag are so cool: http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/03/16/html-5-ogg/ Its pretty important that we talk about the quality (or coming quality) of Ogg/Theora to convince video creators to make the switch from H264. Videobloggers are getting pretty excited. Check out this screencast where he helps explain why the Ogg/theora + the tag are so cool: http://reports.graymattergravy.com/2009/03/16/html-5-ogg/

Its pretty important that we talk about the quality (or coming quality) of Ogg/Theora to convince video creators to make the switch from H264.

]]> By: Jeff Walden http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/comment-page-1/#comment-182661 Jeff Walden Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:12:24 +0000 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1173#comment-182661 Color me somewhat amused at Saget; when you first hesitated over the link I had a strong feeling it wasn't going to go anywhere good, and from each half-second in here it seems it probably didn't. Apparently Saget's amazingly foul-mouthed given what one might naively expect due to his appearances in America's Funniest Home Videos and Full House. I happened to see a bit of the Comedy Central "roast" of him back last summer, and my low expectations from what had previously only been hearsay were easily not reached, pretty much a constant stream of filth out of him and the others in the show. Color me somewhat amused at Saget; when you first hesitated over the link I had a strong feeling it wasn’t going to go anywhere good, and from each half-second in here it seems it probably didn’t. Apparently Saget’s amazingly foul-mouthed given what one might naively expect due to his appearances in America’s Funniest Home Videos and Full House. I happened to see a bit of the Comedy Central “roast” of him back last summer, and my low expectations from what had previously only been hearsay were easily not reached, pretty much a constant stream of filth out of him and the others in the show.

]]> By: Hans Schmucker http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/comment-page-1/#comment-182551 Hans Schmucker Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:30:37 +0000 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1173#comment-182551 Same here. I really wento to ccmixter because I thought I could at least find something to use in the demo. Nothing good, but just something. Then I came across this little beauty and now it's stuck in my head and I can't get it out. Anyway, I've updated the code to make it at least a bit more readable (mainly replacing arrays with objects). Same here. I really wento to ccmixter because I thought I could at least find something to use in the demo. Nothing good, but just something. Then I came across this little beauty and now it’s stuck in my head and I can’t get it out.

Anyway, I’ve updated the code to make it at least a bit more readable (mainly replacing arrays with objects).

]]> By: Christopher Blizzard http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/comment-page-1/#comment-182526 Christopher Blizzard Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:17:23 +0000 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1173#comment-182526 That's pretty cool, man. Of course, the song is great and I keep listening to it. That helps. :) That’s pretty cool, man.

Of course, the song is great and I keep listening to it. That helps. :)

]]> By: Hans Schmucker http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/comment-page-1/#comment-182505 Hans Schmucker Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:38:10 +0000 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1173#comment-182505 Can't wait to hear what's going to happen with the3D context. To be honest, I thought it was dead and burried when vlad stopped posting about it and I can't help getting goosebumps thinking it might end up in a not too distant Firefox release. Another little demo I've just written that might be of interest: http://www.tapper-ware.net/devel/js/JS.VideoViz/index.xhtml It's a real-time music visualizer that gets is raw data encoded in the video stream. It's not 3D, but still pretty nice. Can’t wait to hear what’s going to happen with the3D context. To be honest, I thought it was dead and burried when vlad stopped posting about it and I can’t help getting goosebumps thinking it might end up in a not too distant Firefox release.

Another little demo I’ve just written that might be of interest:
http://www.tapper-ware.net/devel/js/JS.VideoViz/index.xhtml
It’s a real-time music visualizer that gets is raw data encoded in the video stream. It’s not 3D, but still pretty nice.

]]> By: Christopher Blizzard http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/03/open-web-video-screencast-3-creating-your-own-player/comment-page-1/#comment-182448 Christopher Blizzard Wed, 18 Mar 2009 12:44:52 +0000 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/?p=1173#comment-182448 Yep, it's the minefield persona. Right now I'm running a foxeh one. Cute little fox character in my toolbar. Yep, it’s the minefield persona. Right now I’m running a foxeh one. Cute little fox character in my toolbar.

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